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dilemma
July 15 2014
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sweetgem
11 years ago
Call 000 for police and get the law enforcers to take care of the person/situation even before getting out of my car, if the unconscious person was alone. Not being extreme here, instead to protect myself from running into any potential dangers and/or setup traps. You never know, there are so many scammers out there these days, can't risk it, especially as a female! Besides, some people are just nasty in nature, you help them, but they will turn around to sue you if anything bad happens to them when they cannot find anyone to blame for! - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
11 years ago
I would dial 000 but ask for an ambulance. They could come check on this woman. As a male it makes it more difficult to try and do the right thing where single females are concerned, unfortunately.
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RHP User
11 years ago
Happened to my sister and I once, except the guy was cut up so we ended up taking him to the hospital. If I was alone I would have called 000.
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MsSuperFoxy
11 years ago
It's a choice and I choose my safety first. Your safety is number one priority. I'm medically trained and no way would I stop to help someone face down @2am in the middle of the road or step out of my vehicle. One never knows who is going to jump out of the nearby bushes or what legal consequences may happen. Ambulance drivers, Law officers etc get paid to do a job, good Samaritan do not. Foxy
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RHP User
11 years ago
Like the others have said calling 000 for an ambulance is your best bet, not only because of the reasons you mentioned, but also because if nobody is with her who can tell you what happened then you don't know why she is in that state. It could be alcohol, drugs, a combination of those, or some other medical issue. Basically she would need attention from medical professionals. Just be aware that these days it's not unheard of for people to plan hoax situations using a person who appears unconscious, luring unsuspecting passersby who are then ambushed and robbed etc. Be wary particular at night and if it's a fairly deserted and / poorly lit area. If you think it's safe to leave your car don't rush straight to the person, be careful and check all around them from a safe distance to see if you spot anything suss, e.g. they might be trying to conceal a weapon. And if they appear unconscious check by kicking their feet fairly hard, and doing the verbal checking for a response.
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RHP User
11 years ago
Although I like to be fairly optimistic and positive in life, usually not a lot of good comes from a "Good Samaritan"... Call for police and ambulance as foxxy said. I'm trained for emergence situations such as this but think of the bigger picture... It can look really bad if a guy throws a girl into his back seat and drive away regardless of good intentions, I hate playing this card but it could be a set up to get robbed or beaten or killed. And last but not least, you never know what unwanted disease or worst case scenario you may get down the track from such situation. Let's say they were bleeding from somewhere and you caught HIV, or caught HSV 1 or 2 (herpes) from administering CPR... Trust me, those scenarios aren't far fetched!!!
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RHP User
11 years ago
Firstly, good on you for stopping and helping out ☺️ I agree with everyone else, I'd also call 000
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RHP User
11 years ago
There's nothing worse than being the Good Samaritan only to have it come back and haunt you. If that was my child I would have appreciated getting her out of harms way but yes call 000. She may need medical attention if she is presenting in that state or at least an appropriate escort home. Ms S - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
11 years ago
As has been said above, the correct answer is to call the police to come render assistance. They have the appropriate training and resources to deal with the situation. Putting the intoxicated person in a taxi is well intentioned but not the answer. I acted in a civil claim a number of years ago where the inebriated punter was put in a cab, dropped off at the wrong address by the taxi driver, and later wandered onto a motorway where he lay down and was killed. The Court found that the proper course of action of a reasonable man in those circumstances was to have taken the person to the police.
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RHP User
11 years ago
I'm with you Rodney, I'd pull over and help. If someone was that out of it I would call an ambulance... You don't know, they could be diabetic or something like that. I'm definitely the Good Samaritan, I wouldn't even think of these other scenarios. I've not regretted it yet.
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RHP User
11 years ago
very nice to read such nice good people are still around us, its truly refreshing just because the police and ambulances get payed to be the job that we all know we should do when someone needs help "good Samaritan" doesn't mean that we should look the other way and walk past without at least seeing if there is anything we could help with that's immediate. for example if no one like "rodneyboy1" passed these girls and in the unfortunate event of someone distracted / drunk at that time of the night run them over.. while someone just called000 it wouldn't be very nice to have been the person that hasn't stopped. saying that always check out what dangers you are putting your self in.. a few years ago I stopped for a lady in her mid 30s with a broken down car on my way back from dropping a friend to the airport late at night.. quickly I was in an ambush by 3 men situation luckily I ran quick to my car and got a little something I happened to have handy and walked back out to teach them all a little lesson in trying to mob people .. however there has been times where stopping by has cuzed me a little more harm to help an innocent or victim but that would never stop me from doing it again and again. I truly believe to trust your instincts and do what you feel is sensible and correct at the time always, and really do not like the "lets let the people who get payed do their job" thing or understand it ! you would be surprised sometimes when one person starts doing the right thing how many others that were just watching may come and help or at least take a lesson to maybe be that person next time.. personally if she was alone and there was no danger to me I would see if she is ok with me calling a friend of hers or a relative or taking her to her place or calling her a taxi unless she looks like she is on any drugs thats when I would probably call the ambulance and wait for them to come before I leave.
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erotictouch4u
11 years ago
What about the possibility that later she could accuse you of rape if you were a sole person helping her on her own without anyone else to bear witness ?ET xox
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Aristippusx2
11 years ago
We know where you are coming from and agree totally
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RHP User
11 years ago
Thanks for the replys everyone, much appreciated. Seems id already done the wrong thing just by stopping.. :( I had considered 000, but figured they had more important things to deal with. I guess im just naive having grown up in a small country town where people look out for one another. Perhaps ill just run them over next time sydney style. - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
11 years ago
That good Samaritans are scammed,attacked etc when someone is lying hurt and injured by the side of a road?....Of course call triple o,but where is your compassion and humanity,quite frankly I am shocked by most of these responses ...I hope none of you find yourselves needing help ,in a similar situation Q
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RHP User
11 years ago
Don't medically trained personnel take an oath that pretty much compels them to stop to render assistance??? - Posted from rhpmobile
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erotictouch4u
11 years ago
We aren't saying not to help, just not to take them in your car yourself if they are alone and to be careful of dangers that might be lurking if you do get out on your own to assist.Unfortunately it is a part of the society which has been borne from the litigation, quick money and violence of the U.S.ET xoxP.S...triple 0 (zero) please Q, not triple o (oh), otherwise you would be dialing 666. There was an ad campaign explaining this a while ago and I wonder why the number zero started being the letter o ?
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RHP User
11 years ago
Quoting 'Qefenta3' That good Samaritans are scammed,attacked etc when someone is lying hurt and injured by the side of a road?....Of course call triple o,but where is your compassion and humanity,quite frankly I am shocked by most of these responses ...I hope none of you find yourselves needing help ,in a similar situation Q You can save your shock for something worthwhile Qefenta. I renewed my CPR qualification with St John ambulance a couple of weeks ago, and that is where I learned about the possibility of people faking an emergency for nefarious reasons, and the importance of checking out the situation first (as part of the check for Danger phase of DRSABCD). The trainer added that component to his first aid training for a reason. I am not saying don't help at all, I am saying be aware of the possibility and double check before you do help...the chance that it is a hoax is small, but it is there. We don't all live in a fairyland where everyone is a good person; I have plenty of compassion and humanity, but I also have common sense and value my own safety as well.
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RHP User
11 years ago
Quoting 'Sect1988' Let's say they were bleeding from somewhere and you caught HIV, or caught HSV 1 or 2 (herpes) from administering CPR... Trust me, those scenarios aren't far fetched!!! You obviously know very little about the transmission of HIV. And these days you can buy cheap disposable masks to carry with you to do CPR in an emergency. I would advise you to do a First Aid course and learn some actual facts.
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RHP User
11 years ago
It's a potential risk that we face Each time we open the door when someone knocks.... Hardly cause to not open the door though right? - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
11 years ago
I would stop my car in a position to protect the girl, turn on my hazard lights, grab my phone and call 000 as I made my way to her. I'd be checking the surrounds on the way, looking for potential dangers or clues as to why she's there. I'd put my phone on load speaker as I assessed her, render first aid if required, maybe even throw a blanket over her..... Then wait for the cavalry.....
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RHP User
11 years ago
In the situation that the OP has put forward the first thing you should do is stop, put your hazards on, but do not get out of the car, call 000 ask for Ambulance, Police will be automatically dispatched due to the nature of the incident. follow what you are told over the phone and stay on the phone. If they advise, then you can get out of the car and say the Ambulance and police have been called. I used to drive trucks for the Army and have worked with a lot of Police one of the things they tell you about are the fake incidences (more on quiet country roads but not unheard of in the suburbs) cars set up as though they have run of the road, babies in baby seats left on the side of roads injured people on the road another one eggs thrown at windscreens to make you pull over. There are a lot of ways they can get you to pull over. I carry a first aid kit in the car with a proper EAR mask. Drunk people have tendency to through up while giving mouth to mouth personal health is first Q there is no point adding to the situation not all situations are going to be fake but you don't know that your own safety is paramount.
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sweetgem
11 years ago
I don't care if I was called a selfish bitch simply because I choose not to physically help someone in a face-down situation like what the OP describes! I have a duty and responsibility to take care of my own safety first, and that's my priority! We can give and help others in many ways, don't have to be stupid and risk our own safety, or even life, just for the sake of humanity and compassion! I mean, who would be most affected if anything bad happened to me from such situation? MY FAMILY of course! And by then, who's gonna be there for me? ONLY MY FAMILY of course! Not the person I help! Therefore, I would be doing the right thing by calling 000 in the first instance! - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
11 years ago
Quoting 'sweetgem' I don't care if I was called a selfish bitch simply because I choose not to physically help someone in a face-down situation like what the OP describes! For me it's a matter of context. The very first step of first aid is assessing the level of danger posed first to yourself, any other bystanders second, and the patient third. It's no good to anyone if you rush in and end up a casualty yourself, before you've even called 000. If you objectively assess that you could be in danger by providing help yourself then it is perfectly acceptable to call 000 and leave it to the professionals to handle.
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RHP User
11 years ago
As mentioned above, one should always be wary, it is a noble gesture to be the white knight but you could easily be a hijack target and women are just as capable of doing harm than men, just observe the surrounding and behaviour first, ring for assistance and they will determine if an ambulance or police is needed. a person alone could be tricky, is there someone waiting in the bushes? or genuine, taking them home could put you in a compromising situation, maybe to the hospital would be best, as mentioned a first aid course so you are also wary of HIV transmissions.
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RHP User
11 years ago
I'd be on the phone to 000 as I was getting out of my car. If someone else drove past, I'd try to flag them down both to offer assistance and be a witness. Sitting and waiting for the police or ambulance to arrive could be the difference between life and death.My mum was a paramedic and made me well aware of this fact when I was young. However, I don't think there's anything wrong with the people here saying they'd stay inside their car until help arrived. I think the problem is that we live in a world where we have to worry about bad things that may happen to us as a direct result of helping others.
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RHP User
11 years ago
Quoting 'hot_fantasy' I was in an ambush by 3 men situation luckily I ran quick to my car and got a little something I happened to have handy and walked back out to teach them all a little lesson in trying to mob people . A machete? Golden Rod? Your Batman uniform?
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RHP User
11 years ago
Show the number of assaults/rape/murder from good Samaritans helping others..... VERSUS... The number of sexual assaults/rape/indecent assault/assault/murder from people meeting people off internet dating sites after "getting to know" someone..... The risk would be essentially the same.... Wouldn't you think?? - Posted from rhpmobile
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madotara69
11 years ago
Keep the Batman comments to the bedroom will ya. ............./\./\ Mado /``\ (black ears and matching cape) ........|...\.^./...| ......./....|.B |....\ ...../...../......\.....\ But what happens if the Bat phone is out of service?
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RHP User
11 years ago
Noone's advocating that you've gotta throw yourself into knowing harm like jumping in front of 10 lanes of traffic.... *face palm* - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
11 years ago
I was put in a similar situation years ago , but the girl was on a footpath , blind drunk near a night club with people all around and no one helping her out . I started calling numbers on her phone and because she looked so young I started with home number . With that , I spoke to her brother and he came and picked her up. I stayed till he got there (about 20mins) Probably a completely different situation but using their mobile phone maybe a better option SOMETIMES rather than making a triple 0 call.
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RHP User
11 years ago
LD,perhaps I struck s nerve Q
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madotara69
11 years ago
Duty of care, comes too mind, wouldn't the sensible thing to do, is stop and get to the person ASAP, check the basics, pulse, breathing and unless there is signs of some sort of physical injury, place the person in the recovery position. Ambulances are for emergencies and the more information you can assist them when calling, if the need to call , sure helps them in advance.
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RHP User
11 years ago
Again thanks for all the reply's/ advice bit over whelmed by the amount of responses. (New to the site/ forums) wish i had time to get back to everyone individualy. Faced with the same situation as the other night I think id still react in the same way, although my original question of what do do if she had been alone? I can see now the obvious/best answer is to call 000... Perhaps I didnt think of this as I always strive to be self sufficient, and solve problems on my own where possible. Not liking to rely on others/professionals. As mentioned from previous posters its all about risks.. almost everything you do involves risk, in my situation I wouldn't consider myself an easy target in the mugging scenario. Besides I wasnt carrying any valuables and my car is a peice of shit.. hardly worth it in my opinion. I understand this can and does happen but would be very unlikely. Although I can completely understand why others may choose not to stop or get out of their car. Especially from the female perspective. Having said that, I was once king hit in the back of the head after rolling a girl on to her side as she was choking on her own vommit. Dont think I acted wrongly just badluck realy. My concussion healed much quicker than my Conscious would of, had I watched her die I too hold a senior first aid certificate, handy if someone close to you freind/family/workmate is in trouble. But I think they overemphasize the self preservation part of it. And grossly over exaggerate the risks of helping strangers. - Posted from rhpmobile
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Aristippusx2
11 years ago
Whilst you are in the car contact police , then contact ambulance. Then act on their advice. When you contact the ambulance they will keep you on the phone until an ambulance arrives. If you decide to assist and the worst happens(very low percentage) then because you are talking to the ambulance they can prioritise police response.
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RHP User
11 years ago
What the fuck does that have to do with anything? That wasn't the question.
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RHP User
11 years ago
I'm just having the discussion with my mum (the paramedic) now, and she agrees with what I, and many others, have said. Her first instinct would be to help as well (especially since she knows how), but as said by others before before, she says: You must keep yourself safe first.
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MsSuperFoxy
11 years ago
To be honest rodneyboy1, I think you made a 'CHOICE", AT THAT TIME, which felt right for YOU. Sometimes in the community and daily living, we do get caught up is situations, where we have to make our own personal choices. Our morals and core values do get tested. Unfortunately not everyone will agree with choices one makes or not makes. Some choices will be right and others not. Who is anyone to tell another what they can and can't do ?? What ever happened to supporting those who do make choices that is right for them, at the time? I would like to think we are adults andin this particular forum and quite capable of making our own individual choices when it comes to difficult choices/delimas we get placed in. Jeeeeeeeeez if I helped every stray dog or human being in the street - became a "rescuer" or "saved" every person I came across, after a while I reckon my health/welling and mental state would deteriorate. Sometimes it's a feel good feeling and other times it's not. It's not being selfish - it's looking after myself first. For me anyways, my mental health and safety is more important than anything else. As for what happened to you in Bali - the woman made a choice to help you - not everyone in Bali would be the same. Well that is how I see it....some may disagree - and that's OK - but don't treat people like a "child", when it comes to making ADULT choices. ** Just saying how I see it, not directed at anyone. Foxy
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Seachange73
11 years ago
Quoting 'rodneyboy1' Thanks for the replys everyone, much appreciated. Seems id already done the wrong thing just by stopping.. :( I had considered 000, but figured they had more important things to deal with. I guess im just naive having grown up in a small country town where people look out for one another. Perhaps ill just run them over next time sydney style. - Posted from rhpmobile No you have not done the wrong thing. You have done what a good person would have done and much respect to you. I also grew up in the country where you will not think twice about helping somebody when they are stuck. Maybe just to tweak your approach a bit... call 000 first to get help before stepping out. Assessing your environment. The posts above about calling for help first is valid based on current events on mugging and worst but it should not stop us from helping our fellow people, specially a helpless person in a life endangering circumstances. We should have more caring people like you in this world. Good luck and travel well.
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RHP User
11 years ago
Quoting 'lilyorchid'No you have not done the wrong thing. You have done what a good person would have done and much respect to you. I also grew up in the country where you will not think twice about helping somebody when they are stuck. Maybe just to tweak your approach a bit... call 000 first to get help before stepping out. Assessing your environment. Thumbs up, Rodney.
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RHP User
11 years ago
This happened to me many years ago. I actually picked the young lass up,Managed to get enough out of her and drive her home. Once inside I got her water and she started to come around. I left and never saw her again. Human being human, you have to give to receive. - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
11 years ago
Quoting "meander" :- "Stir, What the fuck does that have to do with anything? That wasn't the question." I know right??? :p - Posted from rhpmobile
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