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Nostradamus
November 12 2013
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RHP User
12 years ago
Excuse me while I go Google Quatrains.
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RHP User
12 years ago
Hey Sun_Kissed. While I grew up, & most kids were going to Sunday School, my family were having seances, and quoting references to the Prophet of Doom, Nostradamus rather than the bible. I didnt think too much of it at the time, but as I grew and came concerned with 'the greater scheme of things', I went to a church pastor once to ask him if, in his opinion, Armageddon was really at hand. He didnt dismiss or talk down to me, but said I best focus on the present and my place in it. It took me a few more years to realize the value of what he said to me & that since The Book of Revelation was published, humans have been trying to figure out its meaning and predict when the end of the world will be, each generation thinking 'Whoa, this is as bad as it gets. The end is nigh'. That is not a preoccupation that is unique to Christianity though. Even the Vikings had their Ragnarok. In relation to Nostradamus, you will find websites where each & every quatrain is analysed and compared with significant events in history, Nostradamus's own cultural perspective and biases, and possible interpretations, just like they number each and every sentence in the bible for reference and analysis. My perspective is this. Argue the point if you will, but if the prophecy of the second coming of Christ didnt exist, would the US have been so instrumental in forming The State of Israel at the end of the Second World War to create the conditions predicted for his return? Also, as seen in the websites dedicated to his quatrains, Nostradamus is best interpreted in hindsight. Not too much value in a prophecy in hindsight in my opinion. If I choose to follow a belief, say, in the Mayan calendar, it could have been interpreted as the end of the world, which it wasnt, or interpreted as the end of a cycle, just as you flip the calendar over from one month to the next, and start afresh the next year. Or if I choose to follow the prophecy of the Rainbow Warrior, I dedicate my thoughts to the protection of the Earth in an industrialized world, watching the news for things that reinforce my belief, awaiting the deliverer who will represent balance to the planet and its cycles, for us to learn and live in harmony with it, rather than at her expense. Still a doomsday scenario, but a more constructive mindset in the meantime. I simply found it best to avoid doomsdayers and associated states of fear for my own peace of mind. That about sums it up.
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RHP User
12 years ago
Not all of his quatrains are about doom. Some are pure gossip :) It's not the doom element that intrigues me, it's the general accuracy (or not). Though I concede your point about hindsight - that makes all the difference of course. Not that I was ever or ever will be a follower of N (more of a go my own way kind of gal) - but his predictions have certainly piqued curiosity over the years. - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
12 years ago
..... he was the Al Gore of his generation ;-)- Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
12 years ago
His descriptions on events are best understood in hindsight of the event. Many prophecy's will not eventuate through change of destiny - so which do we count on?Like Icarus and his visions of humans flying sent him to ridicule as he made wings from wax and feathers and plummeted to the ground trying to fly. The pictures he drew that were later found resembled modern day passenger jets. He knew.
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madotara69
12 years ago
go google pish poshMado
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RHP User
12 years ago
The only certainty is that we will all die eventually....the planet is suffering,people are dying in floods,fires,tsunamis,typhoons,earthquakes,...we can all become overwhelmed by what is the seemingly hopeless and compassion fatique can set in.But I believe if we follow the principle of ''Think globally,act locally''we can make a difference in the world and to ourselves.So no Henny Penny,the sky is not falling in...yet.xR
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RHP User
12 years ago
Fuck me dead, that's funny!
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RHP User
12 years ago
You mean like a medieval psychic paparazzi?
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RHP User
12 years ago
Quoting 'Unrushed1' Hey Sun_Kissed. While I grew up, & most kids were going to Sunday School, my family were having seances, and quoting references to the Prophet of Doom, Nostradamus rather than the bible. I didnt think too much of it at the time, but as I grew and came concerned with 'the greater scheme of things', I went to a church pastor once to ask him if, in his opinion, Armageddon was really at hand. He didnt dismiss or talk down to me, but said I best focus on the present and my place in it. It took me a few more years to realize the value of what he said to me & that since The Book of Revelation was published, humans have been trying to figure out its meaning and predict when the end of the world will be, each generation thinking 'Whoa, this is as bad as it gets. The end is nigh'. That is not a preoccupation that is unique to Christianity though. Even the Vikings had their Ragnarok. In relation to Nostradamus, you will find websites where each & every quatrain is analysed and compared with significant events in history, Nostradamus's own cultural perspective and biases, and possible interpretations, just like they number each and every sentence in the bible for reference and analysis. My perspective is this. Argue the point if you will, but if the prophecy of the second coming of Christ didnt exist, would the US have been so instrumental in forming The State of Israel at the end of the Second World War to create the conditions predicted for his return? Also, as seen in the websites dedicated to his quatrains, Nostradamus is best interpreted in hindsight. Not too much value in a prophecy in hindsight in my opinion. If I choose to follow a belief, say, in the Mayan calendar, it could have been interpreted as the end of the world, which it wasnt, or interpreted as the end of a cycle, just as you flip the calendar over from one month to the next, and start afresh the next year. Or if I choose to follow the prophecy of the Rainbow Warrior, I dedicate my thoughts to the protection of the Earth in an industrialized world, watching the news for things that reinforce my belief, awaiting the deliverer who will represent balance to the planet and its cycles, for us to learn and live in harmony with it, rather than at her expense. Still a doomsday scenario, but a more constructive mindset in the meantime. I simply found it best to avoid doomsdayers and associated states of fear for my own peace of mind. That about sums it up. In my opinion the real doomsdayers and fear mongering,stems from the closing of human hearts to one another. All the other stuff is details.
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RHP User
12 years ago
I'm just curious whether people think he was prophetic at all, or not. As in, did he or can others predict the future?- Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
12 years ago
If you read his top 10 predictions...you have to really give them/him serious consideration...
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RHP User
12 years ago
Pish Posh!
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RHP User
12 years ago
Quoting 'Unrushed1' Nostradamus is best interpreted in hindsight. Not too much value in a prophecy in hindsight in my opinion. Two of his predictions: Earthshaking fire from the center of the Earth Will cause tremors around the New City. Two great rocks will war for a long time, Then Arethusa will redden a new river. This is meant to be about 9/11? Really? I find it rather farfetched. Sounds more like a volcanic eruption. The great man will be struck down in the day by a thunderbolt, An evil deed foretold by the bearer of a petition. According to the prediction, another falls at night time. Conflict at Reims, London and a pestilence in Tuscany. Supposedly John F. Kennedy (daytime), then later his brother Bobby (night time). What this even have to do with Europe? Strange as well that these events took place in the US. Not that the country even existed in 1555. Frankly I think Da Vinci was the real visionary. He drew an amazing flying machine some 80 years before Nostradamus wrote his first book of predictions.
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RHP User
12 years ago
Excuse the formatting, I did not foresee that.
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RHP User
12 years ago
@mes- boom boom! In an attempt to test my theory and create the future by 'foreseeing' it, I predict that all the women on this thread will fall madly in love with me, & lavish me with sensual delights and luxuries at my every whim!
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RHP User
12 years ago
:-)
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RHP User
12 years ago
You didn't say by when :)- Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
12 years ago
And in the years of confusion and chaos when the land of Pie is golden. There will come those of enlightened self-interest and good will towards others. And they shall analyse these writings and those of other philosophers, poets and dreamers. It is then that they shall come to know the one great truth… that we will have been misquoted by many who are just scrambling for some semblance of meaning in their lives... suckers!
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RHP User
12 years ago
is nigh....t
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RHP User
12 years ago
By tomorrow, at 11.11am, pending a timely post approval :-D
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RHP User
12 years ago
I'd say his predictions (if his quatrains even deserve to be called that) are definitely pish posh... Ambiguous, confusing and non-specific four-verse poems that require someone to think creatively to apply to something that's already happened seems like pretty poor 'prophecy' to me, never mind that we don't even have any copies of his original works; everything we have are translations of second/third-hand copies.One of his more famous 'predictions' is that he predicted Hitler:"Beasts wild with hunger will cross the rivers;Most of the fighting shall be close by the Hister,It shall end in the great one being dragged in an iron cage,While the German shall be watching the infant Rhine."Obviously Hister is close to Hitler so that's what it really means (if you ignore the fact that during Nostradamus' day the Danube River in Germany was called the Hister...). What he didn't say is "In the mid-twentieth century a fascist dictator named Adolf Hitler will rule Germany, attack neighbouring nations and kill Jews."I'm yet to see a single Quatrain that is an unambiguous prediction. Maybe Nostradamus really could predict the future, but if he could, it really doesn't seem like we have any evidence left to show that.
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RHP User
12 years ago
Quoting 'Unrushed1'By tomorrow, at 11.11am, pending a timely post approval :-D that you're a true prophet?
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RHP User
12 years ago
Quoting 'yank_in_oz'I'd say his predictions (if his quatrains even deserve to be called that) are definitely pish posh... Ambiguous, confusing and non-specific four-verse poems that require someone to think creatively to apply to something that's already happened seems like pretty poor 'prophecy' to me, never mind that we don't even have any copies of his original works; everything we have are translations of second/third-hand copies.One of his more famous 'predictions' is that he predicted Hitler:"Beasts wild with hunger will cross the rivers;Most of the fighting shall be close by the Hister,It shall end in the great one being dragged in an iron cage,While the German shall be watching the infant Rhine."Obviously Hister is close to Hitler so that's what it really means (if you ignore the fact that during Nostradamus' day the Danube River in Germany was called the Hister...). What he didn't say is "In the mid-twentieth century a fascist dictator named Adolf Hitler will rule Germany, attack neighbouring nations and kill Jews."I'm yet to see a single Quatrain that is an unambiguous prediction. Maybe Nostradamus really could predict the future, but if he could, it really doesn't seem like we have any evidence left to show that.:)
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RHP User
12 years ago
Well, I haven't noticed any of you in my bed yet. Hell, I haven't even got you to meet me yet :-/
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RHP User
12 years ago
Chocolate is a woman's siren call - perhaps cover yourself in it and stand somewhere they can see you ;)
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RHP User
12 years ago
Ok, I'll give it a go. I just need your closest street corner to stand on.... New Prediction: men & women walk past, gathering their children to take a wide berth around me with looks of horror thrown in my direction, cop car screeches to a holt and they toss me violently into the back of the van then into the slammer for the night covered in chocolate.
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RHP User
12 years ago
Melancholy and Wine ;)
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RHP User
12 years ago
You must live just around the corner from me :-)
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