F53
HIV Education
January 09 2014
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RHP User
12 years ago
I was told by a 20 something guy that I am old fashioned as condoms are out of style. :(
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MissBishere
12 years ago
Quoting 'Meeka100' I was told by a 20 something guy that I am old fashioned as condoms are out of style. :( I am happy to be considered "old fashioned" and enjoy a healthy, safe sex life that doesn't include STD's...or is that STI's these days??
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RHP User
12 years ago
Yes I bring my own.have heard it all..... ............have explained no its not about falling pregnant....... ............remember one guy looking at my pussy and saying you look clean..... ............another who I said to I know your seeing quite a few women said to me OH but they're not seeing anyone but me.......and how do you know that I asked? what about their past? I havent seen the adss I dont watch much TV but was recently told of the number of new cases in my area in a six month period. It is presumed now a days that HIV is a treatable disease and not a death sentence.
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RHP User
12 years ago
It's a complex problem. I remember the Grim Reaper ads from when I was a kid, and yes they were scary. But as Cest_la pointed out, contracting HIV now is not the certain death sentence it was back when those ads were made. So that aspect of 'if you get this you will die in a matter of a few years' can no longer be used as a shock and fear tactic. Of course, if you do contract HIV today it still means a lifetime of medication and medical treatment, with associated financial costs, and almost certainly social impacts as well because the diagnosis still carries a stigma and can have implications for employment, travel etc. So even without the fear of an early death, those aspects are more than enough for me to still consider it a disease that I want to avoid contracting at all costs. But it seems that for many those aspects are not enough to take the necessary precautions. Perhaps some of them know very little if anything about HIV and think that treatment is just a matter of a course of antibiotics like it is with some other STIs, perhaps they don't realise that it is still a very serious disease that you have for life. Perhaps some still associate it as being a 'gay' disease (which was a fallacy even back in the 1980s). To that end, yes a new advertising campaign could probably help a bit, BUT research has consistently shown that simply increasing people's awareness about something does not translate into widespread behaviour change. Particularly when that awareness is coming from detail-light, non-targeted sources like television ads. There really needs to be baseline, background research into the reasons - both attitudinal and practical - why people aren't taking the necessary precautions, among both those who have some awareness of HIV, and those who don't. From this, information and programs that specifically address these reasons can be developed and targeted to the people who really need to hear it. And I would like to point out, most of what I've said above was in relation to developed countries like Australia. Addressing climbing HIV rates in poorer, less developed, culturally different regions such as in Africa and South-East Asia, is even more complex and difficult.
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RHP User
12 years ago
So I can't comment on them. I don't know about 'out of sight, out of mind' as I had all the information but until, my mid thirties, I rarely used condoms. I eventually realised I was actually being selfish. Not only was I leaving contraception up to the ladies, I was potentially passing on STIs (I was getting regular check ups but not necessarily between partners.). I was lucky, I have never tested positive for any STIs. I do understand why the age group you're talking about is less concerned. At that age, still invincible. Plus I think a lot of guys don't consider the knock on effect if they do contact something. One more thing, it really does feel better without one.
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RHP User
12 years ago
I think it is a case of out of sight, out of mind. I have found that there are men over the age of 40 who also seem to think that a condom isn't necessary. To quote : 1. I can't maintain an erection with a condom - Well then you won't be needing that erection anyway.2. I've only been with 1 woman in the past year - Yes, but you don't know where she has been.3. It feels so much better without a condom - Time to leave I can't believe that they don't care about themselves enough to rather be safe than sorry.
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RHP User
12 years ago
Our Moto is, Pretty simple really....."No glove, No love."
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RHP User
12 years ago
The most effective add ever. I still remember it vividly and shaped my thinking on condoms for a lifetime. Would like to hear some input from the younger forum'ers on this - Posted from rhpmobile
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QLDtwo4fun
12 years ago
About 12 months ago we were within a small group of 35 to 60 year old couples, none of whom used condoms. Their logic was that is was safe because they all knew each other, interestingly, we had only just met them. They wanted us to play without condoms too....an offer we declined. AIDS may no longer meanncertain death, but it would be very costly and difficult to live with. We have both got this far in life without any STDs and would like to stay that way.
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RHP User
12 years ago
I haven't seen the ad either but an excuse I hear *all* the time from older men is 'I've had a vasectomy'. I will never compromise my health so it's condoms all the time. I/we will also never play with people if they have 'no or if required' in regards to practising safe sex on their profile. Ms NC2147
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RHP User
12 years ago
Quoting 'Missb72' Quoting 'Meeka100' I was told by a 20 something guy that I am old fashioned as condoms are out of style. :( I am happy to be considered "old fashioned" and enjoy a healthy, safe sex life that doesn't include STD's...or is that STI's these days?? Hi MissB... you do know that condoms do not guarantee that you wont get an STI. I always use them but still managed to get chlamydia.... something that is on the rise. You need to get tested as well, and regularly.
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RHP User
12 years ago
Someone told me that even if you do have unprotected sex with someone with HIV you only have a 5% chance of also contracting the disease. Not sure if that is true but my source is quite knowledgeable about these things. It also depends on a persons immune system and if you are in perfect health so someone with a weaker immune system obviously has less chance of fighting off STI's.
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MissBishere
12 years ago
Yes I do know that and yes I am tested regularly. - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
12 years ago
Really must look at getting my TV out of storage sometime soon, seem to be missing an awful lot of things. As for the 5% thing, that is 6% too much risk for me. No glove, no love... SG
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RHP User
12 years ago
HIV does not show up for up too 3 months on tests. This is called the "window period" whereby people think they are safe and in fact they may not be. The window period of a test refers to the time it can take from when someone becomes infected until a test can detect the infection. This can vary depending on the test a laboratory uses, but can be up to 3 months. If you really want too make sure you do not have it and pass it on you have to remain celebrate for 3 months at a min and be retested. Either way people practice safe sex always.
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RHP User
12 years ago
I have not seen the adds (never watch TV) but I am guessing that they are not informing you of the reason for the increase of HIV in Australia. I have read in several articles that it is coming from out side our boarders. I have had on my profile since I joined "Any men that go over seas for sex forget it." I have no sense of humor about this, if a guy has been oversea for sex there is absolutely no way I will have sex with him, or even if he has had sex with some one that has been oversea, condoms or not. Indonesia has a major problem with HIV and it is considered an epidemic there. One in four sex workers in Indonesia are HIV positive. Only 50% of workers and men that have sex with them use condoms. The sex trade is unregulated and the real numbers could be higher. 59% of HIV is transmitted via intravenous drug use and 41% by heterosexual sex in Indonesia. Way to many Australian men go to Bail and Indonesian for sex holidays, only half of them use condoms. The vast majority of people that get HIV will get very ill during the initial stages of the infection and will end up in hospital, or seek medical help. But a small amount will show only mild to no symptoms and may be completely unaware that they are infected for many years during which time they can transmit the virus. (Once again people get regular testing) Other developing countries have major problems and people that come from these places or Australians that visit are at risk. Most have unregulated sex industries and condom use is very low. One last point. HIV is very difficult to transmit with a rate of 1 in 1000 for unprotected heterosexual sex and as low a 1 in 100,000 for protected heterosexual sex. The risk of getting HIV from a managed HIV positive individual in Australia with a undetectable viral load is vanishingly small even unprotected and there is debate as to whether it is possible at all. I am not an expert and the information I have provided is from my own research. Anyone with concerns should see a medical professional.
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RHP User
12 years ago
Because I haven't seen any Missb... I remember the other adds you're talking about and the absolute certainty that unsafe sex was not the way I wanted to go.
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RHP User
12 years ago
on condoms and dental dams because some STI's can be contracted through oral sex. Its interesting that so many people remember the Grim Reaper ads and the other early HIV/AIDS ads. A sexual health educator I was doing some training with once said the grim reaper ad was the worst ad ever. I too thought it scarily brilliant. In Australia, our infection rates were very low for a number of years and that was attributed to the public education campaigns. So yeah, maybe some more community awareness through the media is needed. @ Funlover, I like the realisation you came to. I am astounded by guys who are prepared to put their, and my sexual health at risk.
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RHP User
12 years ago
You gotta get tested regularly too. Multiple partners = multiple risks. To answer your questions: 2. I haven't seen the ads yet so I don't know 1. Yes, some people have that attitude of out of sight out of mind; and some seem not to care I remember talking to an older RHP member and they informed me that they only use condoms with new partners and have a couple of regular ones they don't use condoms with.....I was shocked. I said surely you might trust yourself but how can you trust where these other partners have been? IMO I think a lot of people don't know much about STI/STDs and HIV but think they do and as a result put their lives as well as other people's lives at risk. It's not just HIV one has to worry about, there are other sexually transmissible diseases that even a condom can't protect you from eg genital herpes, hepatitis B etc. It's very advisable to get tested regularly but often times people don't get tested. Each major city has a free sexual health clinic and you don't even have to go through your GP for those that want to maintain anonymity and keep it off your general medical file and it's free In my 26 years, so far the guys I have bonked except 1 were people I was in long term relationships with but even then I would get tested each year for HIV and regularly for STIs; you can't ever be too sure. Admittedly, the fear of catching a venereal disease plays on my mind all the time and this affects my willingness to meet up with anyone for sex. (Now before you all shoot me down for this, yes, I signed up on rhp and truth is I am still working out what it is I'm really looking for and I say this to whoever messages me). - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
12 years ago
If one partner out of a couple had an STD check up and was given a clean bill of health, would that be a good indication the partner is clean also? If one is clean and has sex on a regular basis with a guy and remains clean on the next check up? Would that mean his clean as well although he didn't get checked? - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
12 years ago
You need to ask a doctor that question. I just know that for particular reasons I am more prone to infections so hypothetical my boyfriend and I could sleep with the same guy who has an STi but I would catch it and my boyfriend wouldn't. So I reckon no, it's not enough that one get tested.
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RHP User
12 years ago
I read recently that STDs are an issue in Perth due to all those cashed up miners going to Thailand & Bali to live it up. Not sure if this is just media hysteria or if it is true?
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RHP User
12 years ago
Haven't seen them. But I do believe sex Ed should be way more in depth than it is. I get the 'wow it looks so clean' line a lot. Funny that.. Just because it looks clean, doesn't mean the person is std/sti free! Old fashioned for wanting to use condoms? Far out. I'm 24 and insist on them being used. You're too big to wear one? Too bad. Doesn't feel as good? Use your hand. You forgot to bring them? That's fine, I have heaps and prefer to use my own anyway. That way I know they're still on date and not tampered with. Whatever the excuse, don't care. No rubber, no fuck. Simple. - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
12 years ago
Quoting 'Meeka100' I read recently that STDs are an issue in Perth due to all those cashed up miners going to Thailand & Bali to live it up. Not sure if this is just media hysteria or if it is true? Yes this is an issue, the same thing has been found in some areas of Qld with high mining populations. HIV is a big problem in SE Asia in general and as Blindman pointed out Australian men going there for sex are sometimes coming back infected. And many wouldn't even know it.
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On_Safari
12 years ago
Seriously!! Off to buy a bulk box of Condo's now BUT still have absolutely no intention of "taking one for the team" for anyone. My sexual health is of paramount importance to me and there's no way in hell I'm taking anyome's word for it they have a clean bill of health! Especially not from this site.....no offence that's just plain common sense. I also het tested every 6mths as some disrases can't be positively detected under that timeframe. Don't care if that's inaccurate now it was back ehen the "reaper ads" were popular. Cleanliness is next to Godliness they say.
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RHP User
12 years ago
Get them off of the deal sites, usually around $20-$25 for 144 :)
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MissBishere
12 years ago
box of condo's.....LMFAO Can I have a box to please.....oh my god Im crying...so funny!
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RHP User
12 years ago
OK , Im showing my ignorance here, but I've become more and more aware of the importance of having some sort of protection for oral sex. I know of dental dams and I know there's other protectors, but I just dont know exactly what i should ask for or look for.. Im sure someone will put me straight... Jay PS.. Time to protect that rather large tongue of mine...
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rupamohan
12 years ago
Interesting topic hope you don’t mind if I open it up a bit and generalize it to various aspects. a) This is a sensitive topic that always needs some professional input. It is also unknown PPL who provide us this platform to post, see it good or bad topic as a business. b) Some PPL here take lot of risk and if they get no disease symptoms for years. They tend to believe scare campaign is bullshit or somehow it doesn’t apply to them. c) There is no one size fit all answer to how we all deal with risks in life or maybe there is answers based on what can be practically done. I guess most of us have settled to protective genital penetration. d) PPL need to be aware not all disease show symptoms, not all disease pass easily, pass rate can be affected by the disease you already have, not all are life threatening, not all can be tested very easily, some can be even passed by kissing, and gestation period varies so you can't simply say you picked up from your last encounter. e) Check your vaccination for hepatitis. It may be another 10yrs to get HIV vaccination and 5yrs even for HSV2. Many trials have failed but lots of progress has been made. f) In 2014 if CDC (communicable disease control) deptt wants I believe they will have enough data to develop a simple app that can take inputs like your habits, location and current disease status and come out with risk factor. A national testing day can also encourage all to get tested. g) To give one example...we believe we don't have HSV1 ( oral herpes or even more generic name cold sore) it can have no symptom , can be very hard to test, can be passed by simple kissing but not very easily as virus is dormant most of the times. But this disease is common. 80% ppl have it and many got in kinder as kid. If we practice this lifestyle we will consider our self-lucky if we don't get it. But I think it is not considered STD. I guess just a disease. May be it is better to have HSV1 as it gives some protection against its big brother HSV2?
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RHP User
12 years ago
Best way to safe from HIV is no anal sex or sex with people that have anal sex.
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rupamohan
12 years ago
Person going to legal brothel in Australia OR Swinger
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RHP User
12 years ago
Quoting 'coops14' If one partner out of a couple had an STD check up and was given a clean bill of health, would that be a good indication the partner is clean also? If one is clean and has sex on a regular basis with a guy and remains clean on the next check up? Would that mean his clean as well although he didn't get checked? - Posted from rhpmobile It is a good sign but not 100% she could have got something in between and test are not 100% that is why regular testing is important.
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RHP User
12 years ago
Quoting 'Futurenomads' Best way to safe from HIV is no anal sex or sex with people that have anal sex. You are completely miss informed. Hetro sex has the highest growing HIV rates out of all groups. Since 2005 when only 2% of HIV positive people where Heterosexual has grown to 17% last year. As I pointed out earlier it is heterosexual men that go overseas for sex holidays that are driving the increase. Homosexual and Bi guys as very aware of HIV and anyone that has it will change there behavior. It is misconceptions like you showed that are helping to drive up the infection rates. The wall of the virgina allows the virus to enter the blood stream as easily as in the intestinal tract
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ChinesenIrish
12 years ago
So where do I start??? all oral is fraught with possibilities and anal much like vaginal is also still fraught with problems.... it's just sad that most young people these days think that the no 67 tram stop on St Kilda road is as much protection as required.... also for all those guys on the forums yacking on about greek or Spanish or bbbj or daty and think that is the best thing ever well I have news for you.... maybe one of you guys have a STD well you pass it to the girls they pass it on to the next.... of fuck it I can't even remember what this thread is about... probably not what I thought it was......
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RHP User
12 years ago
Quoting 'rupamohan' Person going to legal brothel in Australia OR Swinger The sex industry is regulated and all registered sex workers MUST be tested every 3 months or they can not work. (Exception is that there are many private sex workers that are not registered, do not use them.) Out of all the sexual active groups in Australia, registered sex workers have the lowest rates of STI. After doing some research I found a recent CSRIO publication that showed how testing can change statistics. Not all states have mandatory testing for sex worker. NSW do not and has alarmingly high STI rates for sex workers 15% (not sure when this was), While in all the other states where testing is compulsory the rates are very low, In fact Last year there where NO reported cases of gonorrhea or HIV in sex workers over the year, and other STI were at rates way below the that of sexually active people. I could not find studies for swingers. But all over the world it has been shown that the most effective way to stop STI's is testing. Condoms reduce risk to the individual, but does not stop the spread. Last year I started campaigning on RHP to encourage Testing. Back then I was shot down in flames. Many believed that because they used condoms there was no need to be tested, and that condoms were all that was needed. Any form of human contact can spread and infection. STI are so called because they require very intimate and prolonged contact, condoms reduce the risk only marginally, and most people have sex many more times then the reduced risk makes it safe. If you have had sex say 100 times this year with condoms you are at the same risk as someone that has had sex 20 times without condoms. I am glad that my message is starting to sink in. Testing..... Please everyone that is a swinger get tested, its free and its easy. We could completely eliminate STI's as a problem if every single sexually active person had a test in the next month and a follow up in 6. This time next year (and if positive individuals took action) we would only need condoms for contraception.
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RHP User
12 years ago
Quoting 'coops14' If one partner out of a couple had an STD check up and was given a clean bill of health, would that be a good indication the partner is clean also? If one is clean and has sex on a regular basis with a guy and remains clean on the next check up? Would that mean his clean as well although he didn't get checked? - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
12 years ago
Quoting 'rupamohan' Person going to legal brothel in Australia OR Swinger
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RHP User
12 years ago
Quoting 'Meeka100' I read recently that STDs are an issue in Perth due to all those cashed up miners going to Thailand & Bali to live it up. Not sure if this is just media hysteria or if it is true? SURE IS TRUE! WA HAS HAD THE PERCENTAGE INCREASE FOR HIV LAST YEAR THAN AYN OTHER STATE.
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RHP User
12 years ago
Jay Me - Best place to ask is your local sexual health or family planning clinic. If they don't have any use the fine latex gloves, slice down the side and you might get two out of one glove. I haven't tried ordering them online but they should be available. We used to get boxes of them where I worked. If you have a regular partner and you can't find them, get her to ask at the local Women's Health Clinics or LGBTI sexual health services. You could possibly get them from the HIV/Hep C services as well. Good luck with it.
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RHP User
12 years ago
Thank you .. Good advice... Gives me quite alot to look at.... I thought a Chemist might have something.. Cant quite get my head around slicing a latex glove down the side.. which side ..lol... like I said, Im new to this idea...
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RHP User
12 years ago
... what a dental dam looks like.. seems plenty here just like me... ?
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RHP User
12 years ago
Quoting 'Blindman67' Quoting 'Futurenomads' Best way to safe from HIV is no anal sex or sex with people that have anal sex. You are completely miss informed. Hetro sex has the highest growing HIV rates out of all groups. Since 2005 when only 2% of HIV positive people where Heterosexual has grown to 17% last year. As I pointed out earlier it is heterosexual men that go overseas for sex holidays that are driving the increase. Homosexual and Bi guys as very aware of HIV and anyone that has it will change there behavior. It is misconceptions like you showed that are helping to drive up the infection rates. The wall of the virgina allows the virus to enter the blood stream as easily as in the intestinal tract The research that has been done does indicate that UNPROTECTED receptive anal sex has a much higher rate of HIV transmission than unprotected vaginal sex. Note the 'unprotected' in capitals though....that is where Futurenomads have again shown their ignorance. Now, I know your stance on condoms Blindman, but the fact is that right now using them plus regular testing are the best means of protection. The following is from an article titled "Putting a Number on it: the risk from an exposure to HIV" (if anyone is interested in reading the whole thing; it also talks about the factors that increase or decrease the risk that being exposed to HIV actually leads to infection): "All Exposures Are Not Equal The results of several meta-analyses suggest that some types of sex carry on average a higher risk of HIV transmission than others. Below are estimates from meta-analyses that have combined the results of studies conducted in high-income countries. For types of sex where meta-analysis estimates do not exist, numbers from individual studies are provided. Anal Sex A meta-analysis exploring the risk of HIV transmission through unprotected anal sex was published in 2010.1 The analysis, based on the results of four studies, estimated the risk through receptive anal sex (receiving the penis into the anus, also known as bottoming) to be 1.4%. (This means that an average of one transmission occurred for every 71 exposures.) This risk was similar regardless of whether the receptive partner was a man or woman. No meta-analysis estimates currently exist for insertive anal sex (inserting the penis into the anus, also known as topping) but two individual studies were conducted to calculate this risk. The first, published in 1999, calculated the risk to be 0.06% (equivalent to one transmission per 1,667 exposures).2 However, due to the design of the study, this number likely underestimated the risk of HIV transmission. The second study, published in 2010, was better designed and estimated the risk to be 0.11% (or 1 transmission per 909 exposures) for circumcised men and 0.62% (1 transmission per 161 exposures) for uncircumcised men.3 Vaginal Sex A meta-analysis of 10 studies exploring the risk of transmission through vaginal sex was published in 2009.4 It estimated the risk of HIV transmission through receptive vaginal sex (receiving the penis in the vagina) to be 0.08% (equivalent to 1 transmission per 1,250 exposures). A meta-analysis of three studies exploring the risk from insertive vaginal sex (inserting the penis into the vagina) was estimated to be 0.04% (equivalent to 1 transmission per 2,500 exposures).3 Oral Sex No meta-analysis estimates exist for oral sex (vaginal or penile) because too few good-quality studies have been completed. This is because it is difficult to find people whose only risk of HIV transmission is unprotected oral sex. A review of the studies that are available was published in 2008 and concluded that vaginal and penile oral sex pose a "low but non-zero transmission probability."5 In the three studies aimed at calculating the risk of HIV transmission from one act of oral sex, no transmissions were observed among three different populations -- lesbian serodiscordant couples, heterosexual serodiscordant couples and single gay men -- who reported unprotected oral sex as their only risk for HIV transmission. However, these studies enrolled only a small number of people and followed them for only a short period of time, which may explain the lack of HIV transmissions and makes it impossible to conclude that the risk from oral sex is zero."
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RHP User
12 years ago
STI's in general are on a massive rise. I think people are educated enough to know they should use a condom - but simply don't get themselves checked. I find it alarming how little people get checked, or don't at all. If you are not in a monogamist relationship, practice unprotected oral (almost everyone on this site), you should be getting yourself checked out on a regular basis. Identifying and treating is what stops the spread of diseases like HIV.
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RHP User
12 years ago
Is a rectangular sheet of latex. This is from the GLYDE site. They should have said HIV, not AIDS but it doesn't mean the product isn't ok. Importance of safe oral sexMost men and women do not understand the risk they may be exposing themselves to when engaging in unprotected oral sex. During oral sex, unless a barrier product is used, many infections can be transmitted, including genital herpes, chlamydia, syphilis, gonorrhoea and AIDS. SHEER GLYDE dams, when properly used, help reduce the risk of sexually transmitted infections (STIs).Have fun with coloured, flavoured damsOur remarkable superior quality SHEER GLYDE dams are available in a variety of fun and fruity colours and flavours including creme/vanilla, pink/strawberry, purple/wildberry and black/cola. Many users also like to use GLYDE Ultra personal lubricant with SHEER GLYDE dams.
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RHP User
12 years ago
Also scare tactics such as the Grimm reaper campaign, wouldn't work for today's younger generations. You can see this at work with changing attitudes towards marijuana on a global context. Firstly people have google - and are able to see the facts for themselves. And secondly Fear campaigns promote fear. And fear is the driving factor that stops people from getting checked. Which should be seen as healthy and responsible thing to do for any sexually active person.
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RHP User
12 years ago
Condoms are out of style??? What? And HIV is now in?? Great logic. - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
12 years ago
its not just you risking ,its the domino effect for the rest of your life,and future family/kids etc,you don't need to see the ad just use your intelligence!!
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RHP User
12 years ago
Google "sti statistics australia 2012" Refer to "4102.0 - Australian Social Trends, Jun 2012 Sexually Transmissible Infections" These are the most recent Australian statistics available (that I know of). Consider the HIV statistics, for a couple, 40-49yo. For a swinger couple scenario, as a generalisation may I suggest that if one partner gets an STI (which is reasonable for easily transmissible ones like Chlamydia), so would the other. I suggest that the risk for a couple (playing with other couples) is equivalent to the risk of the female, which is far lower than for males, the overwhelming majority of whom would (presumably) be single males. The annual HIV transmission notification rate is 1.1 per 100,000. That's 0.0011% of the Australian population per annum. Even a tiny tiny increase in absolute risk translates into screaming headlines of "Huge increase", as the "increase" is the percentage change between one tiny value and another tiny value. For example, if 1% absolute risk changes to 2%, that's a 100% increase, which makes for fabulous headlines. Even for the most prevalent (and simplest to cure) STI... Chlamydia, the absolute risk is about 100 per 100,000 per annum, about 0.1% per annum. As a separately reported on group in this report "ABORIGINAL AND TORRES STRAIT ISLANDER PEOPLE", it notes that: "The notification rate for the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander population was nearly four times that of the non-Indigenous notification rate: 1,257 per 100,000, compared with 340 per 100,000 respectively." The choice of partners will affect the risk. Please feel free to make other assumptions and generalisations in interpreting absolute risk based on this report. I don't for a moment claim to be accurate or correct... only reasonable as best as I can see. Fear does not equal risk. But fear sells newspapers and funds academics to carry out more studies and to publish more papers. Government, clinic, medical and academic warnings cost them nothing, but avoid legal liability. Implementing the precautionary principle always comes with a cost to those being cautious. As adults engaging in adult activities, we each choose what level of risk is acceptable. Sex is messy and complex, and the only way to avoid risk is to stop all transmission of any bodily fluids. That means condoms (also for oral), dental dams, latex gloves and no kissing. I can't see that happening any time soon. By the way, in my experience, if anyone insisted on dental dams at a swinger party they'd be laughed out of town. Has ANYONE ever seen their consistent use in ANY swinger context ? Get tested regularly, use protection as practical and appropriate, and choose your partners wisely. But if you happen to fail to live up to your own expectations, as passion consumed you, know that to fail is to be human. It's not the end of the world.
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tsvhairybear
12 years ago
It is not just HIV that should be of concern! There many STI's out there that people who have casual partners should be tested for on a REGULAR basis. Agree with Blindman - Testing is paramount and should be done at least twice a year. If nothing more than peace of mind. As for the increase in HIV I would suggest it is to do with two thingsA) People going overseas for easy to come by sex. I was shocked when I visited Phuket for the one and only time to learn from a Bar Manager (in one of only two bars that did not allow working guys access to the bar) that they had a card system back then. I am going back 7 years. This system was to highlight if the user had been tested, was clean, or had not been tested. The shocking part was that you were not told this on the flight in? Guys going over there for an easy and cheap root and then bringing things back to Australia! B) People becoming complacent with testing. Either that or just burying their heads in the sand and thinking "it won't happen to me" It is a bit like falling pregnant - it only takes one time and bang! Test on a regular basis. There are clinics you can go to that will do it for free and it is not that embarrassing! I also agree with Blindman - it is heterosexual men and women that have missed out on the targeted education. Back in the Grim Reaper days and since then it was predominantly aimed at Gay/Bi Men as they were at risk. Tables have turned now and maybe education should be aimed equally at Heterosexuals. TEST TEST TEST.
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RHP User
12 years ago
Thumbs up for some sanity. MidnightMoon Its strange that there is so much fear of HIV when there is a virus that kills up to 2500 Australians every year, can be spread via sexual contact, is highly contagious, can kill withing weeks, and is totally preventable, seems to be totally ignored. Go get your flue jabs people, as those that don't are spreading the most dangerous viral infection in Australia. Guess its a case of better the devil you know for most here.
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RHP User
12 years ago
HIV is treatable but it isn't curable. I think the problem is this younger generation doesn't remember the AIDS epidemic and the horrifying losses. I am sure most people in my age range lost friends to AIDS back in the 80s. Notifications for HIV are on the increase in every jurisdiction in Australia and is now more prevalent in the heterosexual population. I think you are just crazy if you don't use condoms. Having said that there are treatments available for people who have unsafe sex and think they may have been exposed so see your doctor straight away and ask about PEP. Condoms are also freely available at all AIDS Councils around Australia.
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RHP User
12 years ago
I think the notion of bareback is akin to playing russian roulett... And given the partner requesting the arousal is akin to removing three bullets from the chamber - the incidence of your life being placed in jeopardy multiplys three fold! Who wants to sleep with someone with HIV. Somewhat discussing this exemplifies homophobia. I feel strongly for safe sex...the only way to eradicate thid incurable virus is to extinguish it! As for those affected bt blood transfusion, my heart goes out to you - but for now, and with medication, you are alive! Practice safe sex... It is a lot more fun than the burden of stigmatisation that follows all stds in general.
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RHP User
12 years ago
Something that has been around for ages but nobody knows about... ebay:item: 121171713057orasure OraQuick$38 + 26 postage. Accurate to exposure > 21 days. Immunochromatographic ELISA test. The technology behind it has been used in Africa for more than 10 years. Just a quick swish in the mouth and into the chase solution. 5 minute result. Very accurate but as always - reactive results require confirmatory testing in a medical setting.
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RHP User
12 years ago
What is it supposed to pick up in the results? All STIs?
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RHP User
12 years ago
I remember a similar topic to this from a few years back and one couple and a young guy all called us fools because they believed that HIV and Aids was a hoax, a conspiracy, it didn't exist. I believe that there was some fraudulent issues over the result or the doctor that first discovers HIV or something like that.... So they believed it was all BS. They thought we were being over cautious and silly to use condoms. The young man said he vets all his partners and know's they are safe. When I asked how, he said that he has emailed them a few times! For example he was meeting a nurse that weekend for bareback sex.... And a nurse would never lie. He had only exchanged emails with this woman!!
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RHP User
12 years ago
Jay_me a dental dam is a sheet of latex as big as your hand, I think, and you can put it over the vajayjay before cunnilingus and you can place it over the anus if you are a rimmer. Are you a bit worried about your travel ?
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RHP User
12 years ago
49 and 51 is 100% hmmmmm I dunno but I think someone may be fudging figures (no pun intended)
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RHP User
12 years ago
I insist on condoms (yes every time) and get regularly tested BUT a couple of things still scare me. These are the STIs which won't kill you but can make your life hard - herpes and warts. I don't ever want to get them but condoms are not necessarily enough as they can affect other skin and are passed on by contact. Close inspection is called for, but even then, they can be passed on with no symptoms. So I know this thread is about HIV but personally I find other STIs more top of mind. Also i will admit to having HIV and hepatitis tests less regularly than other tests because they involve a blood test.
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RHP User
12 years ago
Quoting 'Redbuster29' 49 and 51 is 100% hmmmmm I dunno but I think someone may be fudging figures (no pun intended) I did see that and checked. The figures are not fudged, gay sex is not accepted by many people in Indonesia. Many regions in Indonesia have laws that criminalize same sex sexual activity. The Indonesian law considers gay and lesbian people as mentally handicapped and thus are not offered the protection of law in regards to discrimination and legal protection. The study conducted by the Indonesian government did not consider gay men and woman as relevant to the study, as far as it is concerned there is not such thing as gay people, just mentally handicapped people. Many gay men and women are reluctant to come forward because of the often violent discrimination, often by the police, directed towards them. The study was very selective, and there is anecdotal evidence that the Indonesian government is actively attempting to down play the extent of the HIV epidemic.
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RHP User
12 years ago
Good not go...
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RHP User
12 years ago
Thank you for the that. Now I know what Im looking for, and where to get some. The only thing that bothers me is I have a allergic reaction to latex, at least with condoms so I have to buy the non latex types. Hate my lips and tongue to get all inflamed like my dick did. Guess I'll just have to visit the GLYDE website and see what they have... Thanks again girls.. PS.. No meeks, not at all.. when I travel my tongue is put away indefinitely. I have a new FWB who is partial to a bit of oral fun. So got me thinking... Jay
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RHP User
12 years ago
you can just cut one of the skyns condoms open jay me and use that.... or so I have heard. They are latex free.
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RHP User
12 years ago
Why can't you use glad wrap? :p
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RHP User
12 years ago
I was born in the 80s and attended a Catholic school. By the time I was old enough to remember these things the government-financed education campaigns had finished and school did little more than say, "Don't have sex before marriage. Also pregnancy". So I can sympathise with those who underestimate the risks or the consequences. There's a lot I didn't know until a couple of years' ago when I made the personal effort to educate myself. There has been a lot of research in the US and Australia to determine the cause of increased infection rates. Mostly it comes down to poor sex education. Australia doesn't have a CDC like the US so if the Federal Health Department doesn't do anything about it, it is up to the individual states - and we all know how well that goes. There has been some campaigning to have compulsory sex education introduced into all school across the country, with a set curriculum that covers all STIs/STDs as well as general reproductive health, unplanned pregnancy, sexual orientation, sex and consent etc etc. Unfortunately the non-profits who do the campaigning have small budgets and it's hard to target the right people.
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RHP User
12 years ago
Yes Skyns are latex free and the only condom I use. I thought of that and if it's the only alternative I'll go that way... Thanks Imogine... Jay..
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RHP User
12 years ago
Not as silly as it sounds... Probally do the job just as well...
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RHP User
12 years ago
Hi! MissB:)Thank you for this extremely important Tread. I haven't seen the ADs so I think they need to be more Focused in getting the Info out there. Be it from Parents, Health Clinics, School Curriculum even on Social Networks Facebook/ Twitter as 98% of Teens use them. This includes the Importance of wearing Condoms in this day and Age.. I explain to Guys who think it's OK not to bother, all the things that can occur from Herpes to Aids and everything in between .It's a wake up call for them and they do take responsibility in the Future...I practice safe Sex and have been Tested recently Clear from STDs etc I'll Continue to be..No Condoms worn then No Sexual Intimacy ..I used to supply them but I figured ,they need to be responsible Lovers so I let them sort it now ....Enjoy Lu:)
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